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hey what's going on welcome I am Joshua

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Santora and I'm coming to you live from

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the Kennedy Space Center

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sort of that's my traditional work

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environment but obviously with the state

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of things I'm at home working like most

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of America working like most of the

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agency trying to stay busy certainly

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busy putting on things like this glad

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you could join us today we have a very

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special treat we're gonna be talking

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about one of NASA's treasures this is

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the mobile launcher NASA's mobile

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launcher there on the top left you can

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see in the distance launch complex 39b

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we'll talk more about that today and

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then the mobile launcher on the

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right-hand side a massive literally

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massive massive structure that we are

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gonna be launching the next NASA's next

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deep deep space rocket into orbit and to

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do that we have an expert here joining

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us in just a few minutes but wanted to

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call attention to the fact that as we

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talk about this spaceport series we're

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looking at the Kennedy Space Center and

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the Kennedy's spaceport as I love to

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affectionately call it and specifically

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we're looking at exploration ground

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systems today so we're talking about EGS

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as we love to call it they're working on

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developing the infrastructure to launch

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the world's most powerful rocket so we

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are super excited for that and let me go

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ahead and welcome in now my very special

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guest this is cliff let me make sure get

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this right lanham cliff how are you

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today doing well Josh thanks hey thanks

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for joining us obviously you two are not

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at the Space Center you are at home

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working so appreciate you joining us I'm

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glad to have you on board thanks Josh

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good to be here and hopefully give some

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people some insight on the mobile

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launcher yeah and as we talk today

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obviously your title there at senior

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senior project manager I'm so a very big

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deal I want to also call out hey feel

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free to shoot us questions

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in the chat window feel free to shoot us

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questions using the hashtag and not

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excuse me hashtag Nessa at home and so

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lots of opportunity there to engage with

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us please continue to do that over not

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only this time but also more let's jump

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right in

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cliff so as part of NASA's Artemis

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program hopefully everyone's heard of

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the Artemis program it's how we're

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sending the next or excuse me the first

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woman and next man to the moon and that

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launch complex 39b and mobile launcher

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are critical to that so can you tell me

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more about what is this huge undertaking

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sure Josh so the mobile launcher is the

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primary structural element that'll the

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rocket is actually assembled on so

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essentially the mobile launcher will be

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in the Vehicle Assembly Building and

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high-bay three of that building and then

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essentially gets connected up to the

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Vehicle Assembly Building and then we

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start stacking the rocket on the mobile

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launcher or on base essentially the

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boosters get stacked followed by the

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core stage the upper stage and then the

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Orion service module will get stacked as

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well the mobile launcher so from as far

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as the mobile launcher in building it

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just to kind of give people a feel for

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how big it is basically it's almost four

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hundred feet from the ground to the top

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the base itself is two levels deep it's

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roughly the size surface area of which a

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baseball infield a major league baseball

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infield kind of give you some

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perspective there 153 feet by 133 feet

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basically it weighs and 1/2 million

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pounds I think you just I think you just

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said what I heard you say was ten and a

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half million pounds is that is that a

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correct number that is a correct number

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and it's a lot of Steel making up the

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mobile launcher short that's incredible

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so ultimately we say it's a mobile

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launcher and I want people to appreciate

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that that it's not something that you

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build in place it's one thing to build

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something in place that's 10 million

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pounds it's a whole different game to

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build something

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million pounds that you move that's

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we're like the kind of analogy of it we

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built a skyscraper that we removed

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around and launched a rocket from so

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it's it's a it's a massive structure

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it's taken a while to get it built it's

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that's what I always like to tell people

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is the technology is not off the charts

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you know mind-bending like maybe some of

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the spacecraft going out the bars and

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all sure the complexity of the systems

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and trying to make them all work

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together is off the chart yes so

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currently I know we're targeting a 2021

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time for our first launch of the Artemis

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program which will use that mobile

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launcher so thinking about that

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obviously we're looking at about a year

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out so where are we in the process we've

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been here four years kind of developing

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and getting ready so so what's the big

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picture timeline wise so let me go back

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just for a second I'll go back in time a

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little bit so the original mobile one

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this mobile launcher was originally

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built for the constellation program

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which is going to take astronauts into

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low-earth orbit ultimately to the moon

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so it was a much smaller rocket than the

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SLS Orion will be so what we did was we

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had to go and modify the mobile launcher

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and what we did we tripled the size of

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the flame hole because now we have two

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boosters and a core stage with four

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engines on it within that you know area

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of the flame hole so we had to do that

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that was a single contract and then we

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just now the contract we're currently

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wrapping up at this time is the ground

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support equipment contract all the

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ground support equipment is what's there

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to support and provide your commodities

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their services your power your fuels for

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of stuff then you got the electrical

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fluid system so the fluid systems would

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systems so essentially we had close to

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5,000 cables that you know have to

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spiderweb their way and connect bubbles

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how many miles even quantify that but

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cryo systems all together so it was a

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it's a massive undertaking

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we are 99.9 percent there currently

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modifications to a major trust that

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supports the tower the weight of the

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tower and the rocket but it's a major

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trust we found we had to go and

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reinforce that so we're wrapping that up

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now we're also we found we had some

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corrosion on some of our fire detection

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system and you know it's a very

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important system for the safety of the

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workers the crew who everybody's the

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fire detection we're wrapping that up as

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verification and validation testing but

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there were a few non-conformance as we

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sure and we're wrapping up a couple of

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system that had a few problems and so

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we're wrapping things up and getting

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ready for operation man so it's

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impressive just thinking about that as

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you talk about like 5,000 cables you

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list these systems and I think it's easy

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again to kind of overlook the complexity

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of this of you have something on the

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order of a 32 story tall building that

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you're running 5,000 cables through and

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kind of along those same lines kind of

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just the complexity and the magnitude

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here we did have a social question come

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in here how do you weigh the mobile

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launcher because ultimately like is

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there is there a point to where like

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we're kind of guessing like we're pretty

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we know it's pretty close because of the

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steel we're putting on it or do we

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actually weigh this thing somehow no we

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actually weigh it so there's a couple

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ways we weigh it first the

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crawler-transporter which is actually

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the tractor if you will that picks up

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the mobile launcher and moves it from

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the VAB to the pad so that that has

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instrumentation that allows

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the way it when it picks up the mobile

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launcher and then there you see it video

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underneath the ml and then also the

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support mounts at the pad and then the

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Vav have instrumentation on them that

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allow us to get the weight of the mobile

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launcher as well so again even that

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requiring just some incredibly complex

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equipment you can't just use your

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bathroom scale to go away a mobile

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launcher which is awesome and I'm

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assuming that it takes something of a

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small army to create this because you

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kind of again it's a 32 story tall

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building that's a engineering marvel in

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a sense because you have all these

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systems integrated into it can you spit

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blow me like how many teams are we

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talking how many people are working on

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this that's a good one so at different

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times there's different types of people

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development phase which again we're

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pretty much done it had themes for all

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the different systems there was over 40

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off a couple earlier those systems each

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had teams you know teams who provide

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analysis design for those teams project

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management for those teams so they had

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teams individually and there was overlap

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in the people some people had more than

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one system to work other work some of

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that beefy Donovan was our main

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contractor and with five subcontractors

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helping him do the grant installing all

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this equipment and all this cabling and

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at times they were up around 300 workers

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actually out on the mobile launcher

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welding putting in cables testing cables

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putting cryo systems in so up around 300

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now as we transition towards operations

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Jacob SAR operations contractor you know

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they have people out there doing

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operations and maintenance on all these

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systems now they're doing testing

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operations management of who's doing

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we're gonna be in the thousand range

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we've been at many many hundreds times

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around the park site building the mobile

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launcher and in the Vav test yeah and

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about the idea of operations and I don't

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want people to take that for granted

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things in context because we've been

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years and then you're gonna take a

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workforce and kind of move towards

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operations as we start to see Hardware

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come in as early as this summer there's

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even some pieces that are on center now

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so as we move forward what's that like

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for that team to kind of kind of shake

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off like that okay we've designed that

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now we have to go use it to fly a rocket

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trying to get the teams ready for when

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operating the system so we were doing

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testing out at the park site which is

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our construction area on the mobile

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launcher and the operations test teams

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would come out and do some small minor

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individual testing as we went out to the

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pad and the VAB to do our multi element

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verification and validation testing you

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know which is essentially our testing

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that we did for spore against our

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requirements those teams increased and

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involved in actually performing the

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tests which allowed them to run their

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procedures allow them to get training on

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the systems of learn the system but now

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pad back in December from our multi

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element testing and have declared that

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complete opted to we kind of flip the

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switch as a program that went to

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operations now we have a flow manager

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who and this team basically integrates

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much more highly integrated in terms of

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everybody's work when we were in

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development you know the project teams

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the mobile launcher to be a be you know

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kind of off though in their instruction

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in their area now we're all highly

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integrated it's going into it casually

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to find you know hazardous areas the

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hazardous testing everybody can kind of

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now you know needs to be integrated and

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but that's what we're headed and you

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know procedurally everything's

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controlled procedurally as we do our

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work awesome so that's been for today

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cliff but I wanted to ask you as we get

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towards launch what is what's gonna be

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your role obviously you're kind of

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working on the project management side

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for getting this thing ready and as we

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transition to operations where are you

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gonna be when we're talking about launch

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day what are you gonna be kind of

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feeling and experiencing as we as we

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near a huge milestone for NASA good

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question um I'll go wherever they send

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me right now I'm supporting as the you

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know as the deputy to the project

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management division chief so just

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because we're entering operations does

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it mean the construction in the project

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side of the program ends and we have

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modifications to do to the mobile

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launcher to add an emergency egress

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system for the Artemis to Mission when

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we fly crew so there's work there got to

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go through the whole design development

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process there we're also putting

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environmental control systems at the pad

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and in the VAB new systems so there are

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big projects so there's plenty for me to

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do supporting my boss and all the

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project management areas and we'll keep

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on doing that so once we launch you know

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we go right back into some project

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development so it's a it's a relentless

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cycle be cool well if it sounds like

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you're having fun

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appreciate you joining us tonight and I

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wish you the best going forward and I am

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just so excited to see this thing fly

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someday very soon

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me too and I can't wait Thank You cliff

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alright so want to transition really

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fast now to some some current events

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things that are going on want to make

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sure that you are aware that we have a

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great resource available NASA

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/ NASA at home especially if you've got

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kids or if you just want some

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entertainment in general by all means

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you are welcome to check that out it's

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again a great space to find all sorts of

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cool things wanted to highlight a couple

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of those things for you right now we

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have the we'll go here first this is the

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homepage for NASA at nasa.gov slash NASA

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at home so those big tiles they're

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leading you on to kind of some specifics

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and then even more specifically today

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one of the highlight for you the stem at

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home section which is a really great

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resource for students of all ages to

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kind of learn things have fun engage

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with NASA missions and activities and

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yeah just a great experience great

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resource available also wanted to call

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out some some interesting social media

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activities this week this weekend

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actually so things are just moving so

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fast all the time we have this one which

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is a great example of kind of this

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planning happening as we proceed we're

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moving at an incredible rate so excited

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to be able to share this this past week

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this is the plan leading to our

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understanding and of what we're planning

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to do for the moon in them and going to

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Mars after we're done with the moon or

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as we as we master the moon so to speak

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so we're not just going for a short trip

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to the moon we want a sustainable

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presence we're saying 2024 we want boots

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on the moon 2028 is this a sustainable

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presence and that's with Mars our eyes

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towards Mars and so that's what this is

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looking ahead towards Mars and laying

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out this roadmap for us for the future

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also another great highlight Mars 2020

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also named perseverance super excited

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about that there's actually there's a

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really cool thing happening where we're

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sending up almost 11 million names of

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people that will be going on board this

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ship here this plate they'll be going to

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Mars

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so this rover is getting ready for

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launch in July and they'll be taking

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this up to onboard now it was 5:00 to

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launch the summer all the way to Mars

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and then just release this afternoon

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some really cool imagery of an emergency

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egress test that was done for SpaceX as

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a part of the Commercial Crew program

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essentially this is

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you through the process of if there's a

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bad day to launchpad how do we know that

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our crew can get out safely and so they

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ran an end-to-end test basically from

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the top of the tower down to the ground

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and away from the launchpad to safety so

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really really cool kind of experience

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there definitely be sure to check that

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out check out all of our social media

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online there's so much going on want to

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also make sure that I plug the nasa.gov

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slash EGS that's where cliff works the

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exploration ground systems appreciate

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all their hard work getting ready for

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Artemis a ton to look at on nasa.gov in

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general but that is gonna do it for me

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tonight I wish you all the best be safe